🎧 Raw ep 4: How to talk to someone living through war
Psychiatrist and conflict medicine expert Joseph El-Khoury grew up in Lebanon during the country's bloody civil war. "It's not just about a country falling apart," he says of the tragedy in Afghanistan. "It's about people."
Content warning: Contains reference to trauma and potentially traumatising experiences.
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The psychiatrist who lived war
Joseph El-Khoury grew up in Lebanon at the height of the Civil War in that country from the mid-70s to 1990, which killed over 100,000 people. With firsthand experience of war trauma, he decided to become a psychiatrist, studied and worked in the west and returned to his country to help his people. He trained himself in conflict medicine, and worked with refugees from neighbouring Syria who fled the Syrian war. But then, last year, he had to leave his home country again in the wake of a severe political and economic collapse.
"I spent 14 years of my life outside Lebanon," he recently tweeted. "I returned to settle in my home country, build a family and a career. I’m not ‘lucky’ that I got to leave again. At this stage we are in exile, not expats."
As someone who understands what it means to live in a troubled country, Joseph El-Khoury has powerful perspectives on the flawed assumptions people from the outside looking in tend to make about the words 'conflict' and 'war'.
When the tragedy in Afghanistan unfolded, I reached out to El-Khoury, who is a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists in the UK and president elect of the Lebanese Psychiatric Society, to understand what constant conflict does to the human mind, the possibility of hope, and what the rest of the world can do to help heal the wounds of war. Here's a memorable lesson he shared:
So even in Afghanistan, people leaving Afghanistan now on one of these horrendous flights and ending up in let's say, New Delhi. Probably they want to talk about Afghanistan, about their experience, but they also want to be treated as individuals with individual needs, okay? And that tends to be forgotten. So if I can't talk to you about Afghanistan, I can't talk to you about anything else.
